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When you say "slasher movies,"
当说到“砍杀电影”时
That's when the killer became the star.
杀手便成为了明星
Don't go in there!
不要进去！
"Halloween," it happens to be the Cadillac
《月光光心慌慌》恰巧是
Of slasher movies.
砍杀电影中的巨头
You don't know what it is...
你不清楚到底是什么
That makes Michael Myers go, "Her!"
让迈克尔·麦尔斯决定了“就是她！“
"Psycho" was the first time I was aware of the editing.
《惊魂记》是我第一次体会到电影剪辑
The assembly of pieces of film...
一段段电影片段的组合
To create fright.
造就了恐惧
"Texas Chainsaw Massacre"
《德州电锯杀人狂》
Is one of the most important movies.
是最重要的电影之一
That ratchets up horror to a whole other level.
让恐怖电影提升至全新的层次
That's the one that defined me.
就是这部电影定义了我
Sometimes you just want to sit down and watch Jason
有时人们只想坐下来看杰森
Take out a lot of stupid teenagers.
解决掉一群无聊的青少年
There are a number of pictures where you're able
有这么几部电影能够
To actually take your deepest,
将你内心深处一些
Most antisocial impulses for a walk.
最反社会的冲动予以实践
"Horror" became a dirty word
“恐怖片”成了个肮脏的字眼
In the late '70s, early '80s.
在七十年代晚期或八十年代初
These films hate women.
这些电影仇恨女性
55% of that audience was women.
55%的观众都是女性
They're the final girls. That's who you identify with.
你与之认同的是最后的幸存女孩
时间轴/翻译：@黑路易
伊莱·罗斯的恐怖历史
砍杀电影 上篇
导演：约翰·卡朋特
《月光光心慌慌》(1978)
There's the moment in "Halloween"
在《月光光》中有一段
Where I'm standing behind...This house.
我站在这所房子后面
杰米·李·柯蒂斯
演员
I don't know anybody yet. I'm 19 years old,
我才十九岁，谁都不认识
And saying to myself, "What am I doing?
扪心自问：“我在做什么？”
How do I do this?"
“我该怎么演？”
And then you hear, "All right, everybody.
然后就听见“好了，大家听好”
"Here we go, we're rolling!
“开始吧，我们开拍了！”
Cameras rolling!"
“摄影机开拍！”
And I have to start screaming.
于是我开始尖叫
And I had never screamed in my life.
而我这辈子从未尖叫过
Who screams?
谁能尖叫呢？
Who screams?
谁会尖叫啊？
I suppose, for a lot of people
我认为对于很多人，特别是
莱纳德·马尔廷
电影评论家/历史学家
Who grew up on...
看着这些长大的人
"Friday the 13th,""Halloween," "Scream,"
《十三号星期五》《月光光心慌慌》《惊声尖叫》
Horror equals gore.
恐怖片等于血浆片
You have the idea
人们会认为
That all horror films
所有的恐怖电影
Are slasher films, which is wrong,
都是砍杀电影，但这是错误的
And then you have the idea
然后又有人认为
That, uh, slasher films are purely misogynistic
所有砍杀电影都是纯粹的厌女
And that the only people who watch them are men,
只有男人才会去看这些电影
And that's also wrong.
这也是错误的
The most extreme form
恐怖电影类型中
Of horror films--slashers- have been vilified
最极端的一种——砍杀电影，自从出现
Since they first came on the scene.
就被世人诽谤诟病
But they have also
但这一类型同时也
Been tremendously popular.
一直大受欢迎
The worst of them can still be entertaining.
其中水准最烂的依然富有娱乐性
The best of them tell us brutal truths about ourselves,
而优秀的，则揭示了我们最残忍的真相
Our fears, and our secret desires.
我们的恐惧，和我们暗地里的渴望
导演：鲍勃·克拉克
《黑色圣诞节》1974
1974, Bob Clark comes in
1974年，鲍勃·克拉克带来了
伊莱·罗斯
With "Black Christmas."
《黑色圣诞节》
That is the first POV of slasher:
这是首部第一视角下的砍杀片
Girls in the sorority house over the holiday...
女孩子们在姐妹会的房子里度假
But that becomes sort of the--the precursor
这成为了，在某种意义上
To John Carpenter, who comes in with "Halloween."
卡朋特和《月光光》的前身
"Halloween," technically, is a slasher movie.
《月光光心慌慌》理论上讲是部砍杀电影
布鲁斯·坎贝尔
演员
代表作《鬼玩人》
But it happens to be the Cadillac
但这恰巧是砍杀电影
Of slasher movies.
之中的巨头
"Halloween" also made
《月光光心慌慌》也使得
Horror films mainstream.
恐怖电影进入了主流
It was one of the ones that
它就是那种电影
珍·索斯卡
编剧/导演 代表作《美国玛丽》
People who "don't like horror movies" still watch.
那些“不爱看恐怖片”的人也会看的
"Halloween" is remarkably effective,
《月光光》的恐怖效果非同凡响
Like, from the opening long take of a child
比如开场那个长镜头，一个孩子
电影学者
Looking through a mask.
从面具后面向外看
A young boy murders his sister
一个小男孩谋杀他的姐姐
导演：约翰·卡朋特
《月光光心慌慌》(1978)
And is put away in a mental institution.
之后被送进一所精神机构
And 16 years later...
十六年之后
剪辑师
代表作《在恶魔门前》
He escapes and comes back to the town
他逃脱了，回到了小镇上
And to the scene of the crime.
并回到了案发现场
And over the course of Halloween day,
在万圣节的那一天
莱恩·图雷克
制片人 怖屋监制出品
Michael Myers slowly lets his presence known
迈克尔·麦尔斯逐渐现身于
To Laurie Strode.
劳瑞·斯托德视野中
Tommy, please!
汤米，求求你！
This is rare in a lot of horror films--
这在很多恐怖电影中都不常见
埃德加·赖特
编剧/导演 代表作《僵尸肖恩》
Actually, like, a likeable lead.
一个真正的，像样的主角
You know, in "Friday the 13th,"
要知道在《十三号星期五》里
You want most of those actors to die.
观众想看大部分的演员被杀掉
You don't want
但你不希望
Jamie Lee Curtis to die.
杰米·李·柯蒂斯被杀
You want Jamie Lee Curtis to survive.
你希望杰米·李·柯蒂斯活下来
I think it all had to do with emotion.
我认为这都归功于情感
John said very clearly what he wanted.
约翰（卡朋特）明确地表示出他想要什么
He said, "I really want her vulnerability."
他说，“我想看到她的脆弱”
It's why he cast me, apparently,
这也是他选择我的原因
And I didn't really understand that at 19.
我在十九岁时并不明白
And I learned what John meant
我真正明白约翰的意思
When I went and saw the movie
是在我看到电影的时候
In Hollywood at a theater.
在好莱坞的一个剧场
There's the sequence where Laurie Strode leaves
在一个场景中，劳瑞·斯托德
The babysitting house...
离开了看护的房子
And there's this long walk between the two houses.
在两幢房子之间有一段长长的路
And of course, the entire audience
自然而然地，整场的观众
Started screaming,
全部开始尖叫
"Don't go in there!"
“不要进去！”
And that's when I understood what John was going for
在那一刻我明白了约翰所追求的
Was that you cared enough about her
是观众足够在乎角色
That you would tell her, "Don't do this."
在乎到会告诉她“别这样做”
So much of horror is about mood, atmosphere,
大部分恐怖片都在于营造心境、气氛
And cinematic style.
和电影风格
米克·加里斯
主创
代表作《恐怖大师》
John Carpenter using the wide screen
约翰·卡朋特使用的宽银幕
And the Panaglide camera starting with "Halloween,"
以及Panaglide摄影机都是从《月光光》开始
It's something that makes the film
这使得电影的效果
That much more effective.
更加强烈
When I met John, I was immediately impressed
我第一次见约翰就留下很深的印象
That he wanted to use the camera
他希望能利用摄影机
迪恩·康迪
摄影导演
代表作《月光光心慌慌》
To tell the story, rather than just a recording device.
来讲故事，而不是单纯去录像
The Steadicam- the Panaglide at the time--
那个时候的摄影机稳定器...
Was one of those tools that John and I looked at
约翰和我将这些工具看做
As being a key technique--
关键的技术手段
Moving the camera fluidly.
能够流畅地移动镜头
You didn't know where Michael Myers was.
你不知道迈克尔·麦尔斯在何处
You know, you saw him outside,
你看见他在外游荡
And then you'd be in making out, you know,
然后你在屋里和人打得火热
On a couch, and it's like,
在沙发上，就好像
汤姆·麦克洛克林
编剧/导演
代表作《十三号星期五VI》
"Okay, he's out there someplace."
“好吧，他就在外面某处”
Like, you'll watch a lot of these movies
就好像你看过了那么多电影
And you're not scared anymore.
早就吓不到你了
And when you think, of like, Michael Myers, like,
当提到迈克尔·麦尔斯
里尔·莱尔·哈瓦瑞
演员 代表作《逃出绝命镇》
I was freaked out for years.
我怕了很多年
Just the idea of some, just, dude popping out of places...
一想到会有个家伙凭空钻出来
And murdering you real quick.
以迅雷不及掩耳之势将你杀死
Michael Myers is the human being
迈克尔·麦尔斯实质上是
乔·希尔
作家 代表作《龙鳞焰火》(台译)
That's actually a wolf wearing a human face.
一头披着人类皮囊的狼
You know, the human that just ain't human.
就是那种，没有人性的人类
导演：瑞克·罗森塔尔
《月光光心慌慌II》(1981)
What you saw in the sequels was an attempt
在续集中所展现的是一种尝试
To kind of shoehorn in, uh,
想要试着塞进一些
Other characters or other mythologies
其他的角色或神秘传说
Just to make it more interesting.
想要让电影更有趣
In "Halloween II," they make it that Laurie
在《月光光心慌慌II》中他们让劳瑞
And Michael Myers are brother and sister.
和迈克尔·麦尔斯成为了兄妹
That Strode girl?
斯托德家的那个女孩？
That's Michael Myers' sister.
那是迈克尔·麦尔斯的妹妹
He's not her brother.
他不是她哥哥
She's not his sister.
她也不是他妹妹
That's just bull [bleep].
那都是扯淡
Nobody was coming from that point of view
在拍第一部电影时
昆汀·塔伦蒂诺
导演
When they were making the first one.
没人是这么想的
And what makes the first one so good
而让第一部如此好看的因素
Is the fact that you don't know what it is
就是你不知道是什么
That makes Michael Myers go, "Her."
让迈克尔·麦尔斯决定“就是她！”
"Halloween" was one of the first films
《月光光心慌慌》是最初几部
To really initiate the final girl as a trope.
开启了“最后幸存女孩”先河的电影之一
A main character who's a woman
一个女性主要角色
Who is first a victim
最初是名受害者
And ultimately, a survivor who fights back.
而逐渐地，幸存者开始反击
It's a formula that really worked,
这是个很有效的程式
And it's become so common
并且变得如此常见
That I think most people don't even think about it.
以致大部分人都不会对此多想
Go upstairs, get Lindsey, and lock the bedroom door.
带着林赛上楼去，锁上卧室门
-I'm scared! -Do as I say!
-我好怕 -按我说的做！
It's pure.
非常纯洁
There's something very pure and clean about it.
其中有种非常纯洁干净的感觉
Innocence and danger coming together
当天真遇上危险
With that music
再加上那个音乐
And that camera work
还有摄影技巧
And the performances
还有表演成分
Is why I think we're still talking about it today.
这就是它被热议至今的原因
John Carpenter's "Halloween"
约翰·卡朋特的《月光光心慌慌》
Launched the slasher boom of the '80s.
开启了八十年代的砍杀热潮
Its influence is still felt today.
其影响到现在依然可见
But it didn't come out of nowhere.
但它并不是凭空而来的
Good evening.
晚上好
I have some news that will delight you.
我有一些会令你们高兴的消息
Murder is not dead.
谋杀未死
导演：阿尔弗雷德·希区柯克
《惊魂记》(1960)
Starting with, uh, Alfred Hitchcock's "Psycho"
从希区柯克1960年的
In 1960,
《惊魂记》开始
We started seeing a new approach to horror.
恐怖片出现了一种新的发展
It was the, uh...the horror that didn't come out of, uh,
那是...那种恐怖并不是来自于
大卫·J·斯卡尔
《魔鬼秀：恐怖电影的文化史》
作家
Some grotesque radioactive anomaly,
一些怪奇的辐射异常
But it could be lurking next door.
但可能就潜伏在隔壁
A nice young man like Norman Bates
像诺曼·贝茨这样友好的年轻人
Could be the new Frankenstein, the new Dracula.
可能是新的科学怪人，新的德古拉
Do you go out with friends?
你平时和朋友出去吗？
Well, a--a boy's best friend is his mother.
其实，一个男孩最好的朋友就是他母亲
Hitch always thought it was a comedy.
希区柯克一直认为这是喜剧
约翰·兰迪斯
编剧/导演 代表作《美国狼人在伦敦》
He always claimed that.
他一直这样说
The content, as such,
这样的主题
Was, I felt, rather amusing.
我觉得是很有趣的
My mother, um-what is the phrase...
我母亲...怎么说来着
She isn't quite herself today.
今天不太自在
But it's very perverted
但这是非常反常
And very sick.
非常病态的
There's hangers in the closet
衣橱里有衣架
And stationery with "Bates Motel" printed on it,
还有印着“贝茨旅馆”的信笺
In case you want to make your friends back home
可以让你家里的朋友
Feel envious.
嫉妒一下
And the, uh...
还有就是...
Over there.
这里
The bathroom.Yeah.
卫生间
One of the big things
其中一个主要的
That I think to this day was still shocking about "Psycho"
至今仍为《惊魂记》震惊的因素
Was you killed the protagonist
电影刚过40分钟
40 minutes in to the movie.Yeah.
主角就已经被杀死了
Even knowing that the shower scene
即使知道淋浴的那场戏
Was coming, I was like, "Wait, she can't be the one
会发生，我还是觉得“等等，她不会..."
罗布·赞比
编剧/导演
代表作《千尸屋》
Who gets killed.""There's so much movie left."
"这么快就被杀了，电影还有那么长呢“
"Psycho" raised terror to a level
《惊魂记》将惊悚提升到
That I had never seen, anyway,
我个人从未见过的高度
Because it was near realistic.
因为这太真实了
Before "Psycho," that was not imaginable,
在《惊魂记》之前这种恐惧
That level of terror.
是无法想象的
"Psycho" and Hitchcock
希区柯克和《惊魂记》
Brought terror into your shower.
将恐惧带进了你的淋浴室
"Psycho" was the first time I was aware of the editing...
《惊魂记》是我第一次体会到电影剪辑
《惊魂记》：淋浴场景
镜头一
《惊魂记》：淋浴场景
镜头二
《惊魂记》：淋浴场景
镜头三
And how your mind gets tricked,
还有你的心理是如何被骗过的
And what you see off-camera.
还有在镜头外所看见的
This process of frightening
这一使人恐惧的过程
《惊魂记》：淋浴场景
镜头四
《惊魂记》：淋浴场景
镜头五
《惊魂记》：淋浴场景
镜头六
《惊魂记》：淋浴场景
镜头七
Is done by means
是通过既有的媒介
《惊魂记》：淋浴场景
镜头八
《惊魂记》：淋浴场景
镜头九
《惊魂记》：淋浴场景
镜头十
《惊魂记》：淋浴场景
镜头十一
Of a given medium:
所塑造的
《惊魂记》：淋浴场景
镜头十二
《惊魂记》：淋浴场景
镜头十三
《惊魂记》：淋浴场景
镜头十四
The medium of pure cinema.
媒介就是纯粹的电影手法
The assembly of pieces of film
一段段电影片段的组合
To create fright.
造就了恐惧
That shower scene is one of the most iconic pieces
那场淋浴戏是影史上
Of cinema ever to be created,
最具标志性的片段之一
So much so that it's-it's burned in people's brains
甚至已经深深烙进人们的脑子里
伊利亚·伍德
演员/制片人
Who haven't even seen the movie.
甚至没看过电影的人
People know that Bernard Herrmann's score--
也会知道伯纳德·赫尔曼的配乐...
The... You know,
那段...你知道的
Kids grow up, like, doing that with that sound,
孩子们从小就配着这个声音挥刀
Not knowing what it's from.
但不知道这是从何而来的
Like, talk about having made a cultural impact.
这就是产生了文化上的影响
Bernard Herrmann's score to the film was very dramatic,
伯纳德·赫尔曼为电影创作的配乐足具戏剧性
克里斯托弗·杨
作曲家
代表作《养鬼吃人》
Very--very propulsive.
非常有推进力
It's virtually impossible
为恐怖电影配乐作曲时
For a horror composer
几乎不可能不会
Not to have to wrestle with the "Psycho" score.
努力摆脱《惊魂记》配乐的影子
You cannot avoid it. You have to deal with it.
你无法避免，肯定会遇到这个问题
In 1960, I'm sure people regarded the shower scene
在1960年，人们一定认为这场
埃德加·赖特
编剧/导演 代表作《僵尸肖恩》
In "Psycho" as having gone too far.
《惊魂记》里的戏太过火了
Like, "Alfred Hitchcock's gone too far this time."
诸如“阿尔弗雷德·希区柯克这次过火了”
But it's indelible, it's--
但这是不可磨灭的
They're indelible images, and they're, like,
这些是不可磨灭的影像，他们...
Forever, like, sort of in your brain and, like,
永远都会留在脑海里
People have bad dreams thinking about those movies.
人们一想到这些电影都会做噩梦
John Carpenter, you know, was greatly influenced
约翰·卡朋特则受到了
By "Psycho," even to the point of casting
《惊魂记》的极大影响，甚至在选角时
米克·加里斯
主创
代表作《恐怖大师》
Janet Lee's daughter, Jamie Lee Curtis,
选择了珍妮特·李的女儿杰米·李·柯蒂斯
In the lead role.
作为主角
Ironic that it's the same genre...
讽刺的是在同一个类型电影中
杰米·李·柯蒂斯
演员
Same family.
同一个家庭
Obviously, it was the biggest...
很明显，这是她一生中
Thing in her life,
最重大的事
As I know that "Halloween" is mine.
就像我知道《月光光》和我也一样
So when I jokingly say to you,
所以当我开玩笑似的说
"'Halloween' Actress Dies"...
“《月光光心慌慌》的主演会死掉”
That's what it will say.
那就是这么回事
Nothing else.
别无他意
Just like my mom. "'Psycho' Actress Dies."
就像我妈妈，“《惊魂记》的主演会死掉”
Because of Hitchcock,
因为有了希区柯克
昆汀·塔伦蒂诺
导演
People will accept cinema first in a thriller...
人们首先在惊悚片中接受了电影艺术
In a way they won't accept it in a love story,
以一种在爱情故事中无法接受的方式
In a way they won't accept it in a period drama,
以一种在历史剧中无法接受的方式
In a way they won't accept it in almost--
以一种在几乎任何类型片中
Most every other genre,
都无法接受的方式
Because Hitchcock taught people
因为希区柯克教会了人们
To be thinking of cinema first.
去首先考虑电影的艺术手法
We're just naturally okay
我们自然地觉得这很正常
With the camera taking off and doing things.
让摄影机去自由运作拍摄
I think it's fair to say that "Psycho"
我认为《惊魂记》绝对可以说是
Was a turning point...
一个转折点
Certainly in American filmmaking--
在美国电影史上
And in Hollywood filmmaking,
也在好莱坞电影史上
Because there was no one more establishment
因为希区柯克所达到的成就
Than Alfred Hitchcock.
无人能出其右
莱纳德·马尔廷
电影评论家/历史学家
And there was no turning back.
而且这个影响无法挽回
There was no turning back.
是无从回头的
"Psycho" influenced every horror film to come,
《惊魂记》影响了其后的每一部恐怖电影
And it paved the way for a new kind
并为一种新的怪物电影类型
Of movie monster...
开辟了道路
The chainsaw-wielding
挥舞着电锯的
Serial killer.
连环杀手
If you think about the landmarks
如果思考一下《惊魂记》
"Psycho" and "Halloween,"
与《月光光》两座里程碑
Clearly the bridge between the two
很明显两者之间的连接
Is Tobe Hooper's "The Texas Chainsaw Massacre."
就是托比·霍珀的《德州电锯杀人狂》
导演：托比·霍珀
《德州电锯杀人狂》(1974)
Out of every movie that we've talked about,
在我们聊过的这么多电影里
That's the one that defined me.
就是这部电影定义了我
Like, that's everything I wanted in a movie
这部电影包含了我想要的所有元素
罗布·赞比
编剧/导演
代表作《千尸屋》
And everything I ever wanted to do in movies.
和我想在电影中做的所有尝试
It was just disgusting and nasty,
非常的恶心，令人厌恶
And that redneck thing...
还有那种乡巴佬无情的特质
That movie just changed
那部电影改变了
The way I thought about movies.
我对所有电影的看法
-Yeah. -Instantly.
-没错 -立竿见影
We decided to re-watch "Texas Chainsaw Massacre,"
我们一个月前打算再看一遍
萨拉·帕克斯顿
代表作《魔屋》(2009)
演员
Like, a month ago. I watched it eight times.
《德州电锯杀人狂》，我一口气看了八遍
"Texas Chainsaw Massacre" is one of the most
《德州电锯杀人狂》是对我来说
卡瑞恩·库萨马
导演
代表作《詹妮弗的肉体》
Important movies, to me, of all horror films.
所有恐怖片中最重要的一部
You walk into a movie called "Texas Chainsaw Massacre,"
你走进一场叫做《德州电锯杀人狂》的电影
米克·加里斯
主创
代表作《恐怖大师》
And you expect the worst.
那就要准备好面对极端场面
And you get it.
而且一定有这种场面
It was incredibly potent and visceral...
电影效果的强烈是发自肺腑的
There was an imagination-a dark imagination--
其中有一种黑暗的
That had no limits.
没有底线的想象力
接下来即将看到的影片
讲述了五名年轻人的悲惨经历
斯科特·考萨
编剧 代表作《德州电锯杀人狂》(2003)
Like, dreadful, somber narration
那种令人毛骨悚然的阴沉旁白
At the beginning of the story.
在整个电影的开头
那一日的事件揭开了美国历史中
最为疯狂的犯罪事件
德州电锯杀人案
So right off the bat, you're thinking, "Wow,
当头一击之后你想道
Is this based on a true story?"
“这是根据真实故事改编的吗？”
And then they flash this date...
然后闪过那个日期
1973年，8月18日
It really feels like you were dropped
观众会感觉到仿佛
格里高利·尼克特洛
执行制片人/导演 代表作《行尸走肉》
into, uh, watching something happen for real.
在目击一切事情真实地发生
This heat is just driving me crazy,
高温快把我逼疯了
I don't know if I can take much more.
我可能坚持不下去了
"Texas Chainsaw Massacre"
《德州电锯杀人狂》
Was the first one where I thought
是第一部让我以为
They were real people.
这些是真人的电影
I never looked at them as actors.
我从未将他们看做演员
You don't see any on-screen violence.
在电影中没有直接展现暴力
-It's all implied. -The hook...puts her
-一切都是暗示的 -那个钩子
-Hanging on the meat hook. -When he picks her up,
-当他把她挂起来 -把她挂到铁钩上
And he's holding her over the hook...
他将她往铁钩上挂
And you came out of that movie
等电影散场之后
Certain that you remembered,
你一定会记得
"Oh, yeah, remember, you see the hook go through her."
“没错，我记得那个钩子穿透她的身体”
But your mind just put it all together.
但都是你的大脑拼凑出来的
"Texas Chainsaw" is inspired
《德州电锯杀人狂》是由
By the Ed Gein story from, uh, Wisconsin.
威斯康星洲的艾德·盖恩案件改编的
It was a crime that shocked
这是起案件震惊了
The small town of Plainfield, Wisconsin.
位于威斯康星洲的平原镇
Edward Gein, accused of killing a woman,
艾德华·盖恩被指控谋杀一名女子
Then gutting her body like a slaughtered deer.
并将其尸体像牲口一样宰割
Tobe told me that he-when he was a kid,
托比告诉我当他还是孩子时
they would tell him the story of this guy, Ed Gein.
流传着一个关于艾德·盖恩的故事
He would use those body parts and bones
他会用人体残肢和人骨
To make lamp shades and other furniture.
来制作台灯或者其他家具
He would also wear dead female body parts.
他还会穿戴死去女性的尸块
And so they used to use Ed Gein
于是人们就利用艾德·盖恩
As a cautionary tale.
作为一个警示性故事
"Don't be bad, or Ed Gein will come for you."
“乖乖表现，不然艾德·盖恩就来抓你了”
Someone once said before Tobe Hooper,
在托比·霍珀之前有人说过
There had been plenty of films about psychopaths,
世上有那么多关于变态杀人狂的电影
乔·希尔
作家 代表作《龙鳞焰火》
But when you saw "Texas Chainsaw Massacre,"
但当你看到《德州电锯杀人狂》时
It was the first time you saw a film that seemed
这是第一部看起来
Like it had been directed by a psychopath.
是由一名心理变态导演的电影
Tobe, he had a sweetness to him.
托比身上有一种亲切
At the same time, he would try to rip your head off
但如果你想动他电影中哪怕一帧
汤姆·霍兰德
编剧/导演
代表作《鬼娃回魂》
If you--if you even messed with a frame of his movie.
他会把你脑袋给拧下来
If you'll pardon my French, they didn't give a fuck,
请原谅我的粗鲁，但是他们不在乎
About what people thought
人们会对他们在拍的电影
About the movie they were making.
会有什么想法
The conditions of making that movie
拍出这部电影时的条件
Were so primitive.
非常原始简陋
I mean, these guys,
我是说，这帮家伙
They borrowed 16-millimeter Aeroflex cameras
跟德州大学借了一部
From the University of Texas
16毫米摄影机
Under the hottest, worst conditions.
顶着最炎热、最糟糕的条件
It was like 120 degrees,
将近50℃的高温天气里
And they were like, "Let's go out there
他们决定：“我们出门去”
And stir it up."
“把它搞起来！”
It was not a pleasant experience for anyone,
整个经历对每个人来说都不愉快
And it's reflected in the film.
这也反映在了电影里
I don't think Tobe Hooper set out
我不觉得托比·霍珀一开始就想
To make a movie about Vietnam, but he could not help
拍一部关于越战的电影，但他忍不住
But reflect the rebellion that was going on.
反映出那时的反抗精神
后续调查表明...
Subsequent investigation...
The times were political,
当时的时代背景是政治性的
And the times were, you--you know,
而那个时代...你知道的
托比·霍珀
导演 代表作《德州电锯杀人狂》
Steeped in Vietnam.
深受越战影响
Hit her, Grandpa!
爷爷，打死她！
"The Texas Chainsaw Massacre"
《德州电锯杀人狂》
Is a very American story,
是一个美国故事
And--and in some ways, uh, a capitalistic story.
在某些方面，还是一个资本主义故事
The place where they shoot the cattle in the head
就是他们用那种大型的气枪
With that big air gun thing.
崩掉牲口脑袋的地方
Oh, that--that gun's no good.
噢，那种枪不是好东西
I was in there once with my uncle...
我曾经和我叔叔去过那地方
What "Texas Chainsaw Massacre"
《德州电锯杀人狂》
电影学者
Is really about
真正讲述的是
Is a family of dispossessed workers.
一家子被剥削的工人的故事
With a sledge.
用大锤
See, that was better.
这样子比较好
They died better that way.
它们这种死法更好
Because of automation and loss of jobs,
因为一系列自动化和失业
They no longer have the means, you know,
他们失去了
To earn th--a living for themselves.
养活自己的途径
With the new way, people put out of jobs.
新的方法让人们没工作了
The oppressed working class
受压迫的工人阶级
Turn the tools of their trade
把他们工作生产用的工具
Back upon their former employers--
挥向了他们的前雇主们
The chainsaw, the hammer, and so on--
电锯，锤子，等等
But it's also tied in with psychic repression,
但故事同时也引入了精神压抑问题
Because, like, people love the meat on their plate
因为，人们大啖盘中肉时
But don't want to think about how it gets made.
并不想了解肉是怎么生产的
And by substituting the teenagers for the cattle
而通过把青少年当做牲口
And the former dispossessed workers
之前被剥削的工人们
Enacting revenge against them,
就对他们实施了报复
it's a kind of un-repression both of meat itself
有点像是推翻了对肉食牲口和
And of working-class labor.
工人阶级劳动者两者的压迫
And Tobe called that movie
托比称那部电影为
"a $60,000 flare" he shot up from Austin.
在奥斯汀放的一发六万美元的信号弹
*奥斯汀：德州首府
And I mean, it's in the Museum of Modern Art now.
它已经被放进现代艺术博物馆了
It's a classic, but it's unmatched after that.
它是一部经典，在这之后无可比拟
I mean, that ratchets up horror to a whole other level.
让恐怖电影提升至全新的层次
"Texas Chainsaw," "Halloween," and "Psycho"
《德州电锯》《月光光》和《惊魂记》
Opened the gates for a new kind of horror.
为恐怖片类型打开了新的大门
But the slasher film as we know it was truly born
但我们如今熟知的砍杀电影
With the most successful horror franchise
则是成型于一个史上最成功的
of all time...
恐怖系列片
"Friday the 13th."
《十三号星期五》
When you think of "Friday the 13th,"
当一提到《十三号星期五》
You think of dead teenagers...
你会想到被杀死的青少年
And the unstoppable Jason Voorhees.
还有不可阻挡的杰森·沃赫斯
Growing up when I did, we all watched
我这代人长大时都在看
"Friday the 13th"... one, two, three, four,
《十三号星期五》第一部，二部，三部，四部...
杰克·布莱克
演员
five, six, seven.
五部，六部，七部
Eight was horrible.
第八部太烂了
导演：罗布·赫登
《十三号星期五VIII：杰森侵入曼哈顿》(1989)
But in terms of character names...
说到角色的名字
Jason Voorhees.
杰森·沃赫斯
It--it was just evil.
这听起来就很邪恶
I believe that I have murdered
我相信我所谋杀的人数
More people on film than any actor in history.
是影史上所有演员中最多的
I played Jason in four of the "Friday the 13th" films.
我在四部《十三号星期五》中饰演杰森
There's a lot more to playing a character like Jason
饰演杰森这种角色有很多要点
Than throwing the mask on and, you know,
不是简单地带上面具
Walking around threateningly,
气势汹汹地到处走
Because two of the major tools an actor uses
因为一个演员表演的两种途径
Are their facial expressions
一是面部表情
And their voice.
二是声音
So now, you take away both of those
而当你将二者都舍去
By making him silent
让他寂静无声
And putting a mask on him.
并给他带上面具
So I always was conscious
所以我一直会注意
of Jason never looking awkward
从不让杰森看起来尴尬
Or off-balance or weak.
站不稳，或者看起来虚弱
I would never look down to see where I was walking,
我在走路时从不看脚下
Because I thought it weakened the character.
因为我认为那会削弱角色
My favorite Jason kill-which was my favorite
我最喜欢的杰森击杀，也是...
All-time kill for a long time--
我所有电影击杀中最喜欢的
was the sleeping bag from "Part VII."
就是第七部中的睡袋杀
导演：约翰·卡尔·伯奇勒
《十三号星期五VII》(1988)
I put my heart and soul into that character
我将身心灵魂都投入到这个角色中
and loved playing it.
而且我热爱演绎他
Name the killer in "Friday the 13th."
说出《十三号星期五》里 杀手的名字
导演：韦斯·克雷文
《惊声尖叫》(1996)
Jason! Jason! Jason!
杰森！杰森！杰森！
I'm sorry. That's the wrong answer.
抱歉，回答错误
导演：肖恩·S·坎宁安
《十三号星期五》(1980)
Jason is synonymous with Friday the 13th
杰森就代表了 《十三号星期五》
But he's barely seen in the original film.
但在第一部中他几乎没有出现
The rest of the formula, though, was in place.
而其他所需的要素都已就绪
"Friday the 13th" is a story
《十三号星期五》的故事讲述了
作家
About a group of camp counselors
有一拨营地指导员
Who've come up to set up a camp...
来到这里打点一所夏令营
Well, come on. Let's go.
快点吧，我们走吧
I thought we had two weeks.
我以为还有两周时间
And have been sort of targeted
结果被一个神秘的杀手
By a mysterious killer.
当做了目标
No...
不要...
No...
不要...
One or two or three of them get picked off,
一个，两个或者三个人被干掉了
And you say, "Oh, my goodness, anybody could go at any time."
你意识到：“天啊，任何人随时都可能送命”
Something's wrong with Ned.
奈德有点不对劲
That was, I think, part of the--the secret
我认为这是我们营造
To the suspense that we were able to create.
悬疑气氛的诀窍之一
肖恩·S·坎宁安
导演/制片人
代表作《十三号星期五》
It must be my imagination.
看来是我的想象作怪
We needed somebody that knew a lot more than we did
我们需要找一个懂得更多的人
About how to pull off a special effect.
来帮我们做特效
You wanna stab somebody with a knife.
如果要拍一个人被刀子捅了
How do you do it? You can't just get
你要怎么做？你不能直接
A rubber knife and-and start...
拿一把橡胶刀就开始...
You know, going at people.
开始乱刺
And we were fortunate enough
而我们非常幸运地
To run into a guy named Tom Savini,
遇到一个叫做汤姆·萨维尼的人
And he just couldn't wait
他简直等不及想要
To get involved, and he had such wonderful,
参与其中，他有着如此惊人的
Positive energy.
积极的力量
Kevin Bacon was, uh, sitting upright underneath the bed.
凯文·贝肯当时挺直腰杆坐在床下
汤姆·萨维尼
特效化妆师
代表作《十三号星期五》
His--only his head came through the bed.
只有他的头穿过床露着
So I'm actually pushing the arrow through
我实际上是将箭头推着
The fake chest and neck,
穿过假的胸膛和脖颈
And my assistant, uh, was pumping the blood.
我的助手正在压血泵
Now, while he was pumping the blood, the tubing came off
但在他压泵的时候，血泵的管子
The blood pump, and during the take,
松开脱落了，而在那个镜头中
He grabbed it and blew through it,
他直接抓过管子吹了过去
Which caused the nice gurgling of the blood.
而这恰巧造成了一股汩汩的血流
So it was a happy accident that made the effect,
总之是个完成特效的幸运的意外
You know, a l--so much better.
让效果更好了
What makes "Friday the 13th" a classic
使《十三号星期五》成为经典的
布莱恩·富勒
编剧/主创
代表作《汉尼拔》(电视剧)
Is the reveal of Mrs. Voorhees.
是揭示沃赫斯夫人的那一段
Steve!
史蒂夫！
Oh, Steve!
哦，史蒂夫！
Who are you?
你是谁？
Well, I--I'm Mrs. Voorhees,
我是沃赫斯夫人
An old friend of the Christys'.
一个水晶湖的老朋友
Everyone's trying to survive, uh,
所有人都挣扎着逃命
As they're being knocked off one by one
但依然被一个未知的杀手
By a killer that they don't know, and then you reveal
一个接一个干掉，最后再揭示
It's the mother of this drowned boy.
凶手是被淹死的男孩的母亲
You see, Jason was my son.
其实，杰森是我的儿子
A mother was driven mad by her child drowning
一个母亲被淹死的孩子逼疯
And seeing the world ignore it and go by
看到整个世界无视他经过
And think that they can just restart
并且就若无其事地
And go on with their lives.
重新开办了营地
The manifestation of grief is actually
这种对悲痛的表现事实上
Very poetic and relatable.
充满诗意，令人感同身受
We started to hear some of the score
我们开始试听一些哈利为
史蒂夫·迈纳
导演
代表作《十三号星期五III》
That Harry was writing for the first "Friday the 13th,"
第一部《十三号星期五》所写的配乐
And this--this...
这种声音...
Kept coming up.
一直在出现
You remember a scene at the very end, uh...
还记得在影片结尾有一段
作曲家 代表作《十三号星期五》
Where Mrs. Voorhees--uh, Betsy Palmer, rest her soul.
沃赫斯夫人——贝丝蒂·帕尔默，愿她安息
Dear Betsy. We hear, uh, her son go...
我们听得到她的儿子说...
"Kill her, Mommy.
“杀了她，妈咪”
Kill her."
“杀了她！”
And that's what kicked it off for me.
而就是这个点醒了我
I went, "She hears voices in her head."
我想道：“她的脑内有幻听”
I went up to a microphone and went,
我来到麦克风跟前录下
"K...ma..."
“杀……妈……”
And then it came out...
然后加工成了
Kih...mah...
“杀…杀…杀……妈…妈…妈……”
And it literally became the signature
这最后成为了
of that series, the sound that--
整个系列的标志性元素
What they call "the Jason sound."
这个声音被称为“杰森低语”
Look what you did to him!
看你对他做了什么！
I remember thinking the movie was over.
我还记得电影接近尾声
里尔·莱尔·哈瓦瑞
演员 代表作《逃出绝命镇》
You remember, she was on the lake.
你也记得，她到了湖中央
And I thought the m- I legitimately was like,
我当时想...我真心以为
"Aw, the movie's over.
“啊，电影结束了，”
She's at the boat."
“她上船了”
He jumped out that water. I lost it.
他从水中一跃而出，我当场疯掉
I don't even know how I fell for that.
我都不明白自己怎么回事
To this day...
直到今天...
Was the loudest I ever screamed in my life.
那都是我人生中尖叫得最响的一次
The boy, Jason.
那男孩，杰森
Jason?
杰森？
Nobody knew that was
没人预料到
米克·加里斯
主创
代表作《恐怖大师》
Going to become a franchise,
这会拍成系列片
But it was certainly easy to replicate.
但想要仿制重现非常简单
The--my biggest regret is putting the bag over his head.
我最后悔的就是在他头上套了个袋子
导演：史蒂夫·迈纳
《十三号星期五II》(1981)
So then, doing "Part III,"
于是在第三部中
this guy we had hired as a--as a 3-D expert
我们雇了一个3D效果专家
was also a hockey player.
同时也是个冰球运动员
And I was trying to figure out--
我当时正在琢磨
You know, I wasn't gonna do the bag again.
不能再在头上套袋子了
"What are we gonna do?"
“那我们该怎么办？”
And one day, he walked into my office
有一天，他带着一个守门员面具
With a goalie mask and said, "How about this?"
来到我的办公室，问道：“这个如何？”
导演：史蒂夫·迈纳
《十三号星期五III》(1982)
It was perfect.
太完美了
It was, immediately--
效果立现
That was gonna be great.
这简直棒极了
I don't understand how, in the first one,
我也不明白为什么第一部里
He's like an 11-year-old who jumps out of the lake,
他还是个湖里窜出来的11岁小孩
埃德加·赖特
编剧/导演 代表作《僵尸肖恩》
And then he's built like a--
而现在他变得魁梧壮硕
a WCW wrestler.
像个世界摔角赛选手
I don't understand what happened
我不知道发生了什么
Where he suddenly got all jacked.
让他突然壮起来了
You know, after the first movies
在第一部电影之后
伊利亚·伍德
演员/制片人
And the subsequent sequels became,
接下来的续集就变成了
"Who are these, you know, awful kids
这些我们恨得不行的...
"that we sort of hate and we can't wait
等不及让杰森杀光的...
For Jason to take them out?"
品行不端的小孩都是谁呢？
I've always thought that the slasher films of the 1980s
我一直认为八十年代的砍杀电影
乔·希尔
作家 代表作《龙鳞焰火》
didn't really work as horror fiction.
并不能达到恐怖故事的效果
But they worked pretty well as slapstick comedies...
但当成低俗喜剧来看效果甚好
导演：罗布·赫登
《十三号星期五VIII：杰森侵入曼哈顿》(1989)
And the reason for that is, you know,
而其中原因就在于
The characters are never allowed to be anything
角色在塑造时全都被打上了
Except one-dimensional types.
一维扁平化的标签
You've got a gang of teenagers.
来了这么一伙青少年
You've got the jock. You've got the stoner.
其中会有一个体育生，一个嗑药的
You've got the slut. You've got the virgin.
还有一个荡妇和一个处女
You never care about them,
你不会对他们付出感情
You never fall in love with them,
你从未爱上过他们
导演：约瑟夫·齐托
《十三号星期五：终结篇》(1984)
And so when the serial killer starts
所以当连环杀手开始
Knocking them off one by one...
一个个把他们干掉时
You laugh instead of recoil in horror,
你不会感到恐惧，而是开怀大笑
Because he's actually more of a personality than they are.
因为比起这些人，杀手有着更立体的角色
With the success of "Friday the 13th"
随着《十三号星期五》和
And the success of "Halloween," people just were--
《月光光心慌慌》电影的成名，人们
Producers were ravenous to find material
制片人们贪婪地寻找题材
格里高利·尼克特洛
执行制片人/导演 代表作《行尸走肉》
And knowing that, "Oh, well this is the formula."
发现“原来是这个套路”
导演：艾米·霍尔登·琼斯
《电锯狂魔》(1982)
One of the by-products of- of the success
《十三号星期五》和一些其他电影的成功
Of "Friday the 13th" and a few other movies
所催生的副产品之一就是
Was that people on the outside are looking in, saying,
圈外人看到这些之后认为
"Oh, they killed ten people
“哦，他们杀了十个人”
"and they made a lot of money.
“然后挣了一大笔钱”
导演：詹姆斯·艾萨克
《杰森在太空》(2001)
"We'll kill 20 people,
“我们杀掉二十个人”
And we'll make a lot more than that."
“然后挣比那更多的钱！”
By the early '80s,
到了八十年代早期
Slasher movies glutted the market.
砍杀电影充斥了整个市场
Audiences loved them,
观众们为其狂热
But they also inspired outright hatred.
但这也催生了一些赤裸裸的仇恨
Where some saw harmless entertainment,
一些人只把这看做无害的娱乐节目
Others saw a threat to society.
而在另一些人眼中则是对社会的威胁
导演：黛博拉·布洛克
《睡衣晚会大屠杀II》(1987)
Come on, baby.
来吧，宝贝
Light my fire.
点燃我的欲火
You bet I will.
你就瞧着吧
I gotta tell you something,
我告诉你
斯蒂芬·金
作家
the worst horror movie I ever saw was fucking great, okay?
我看过最糟糕的恐怖电影依然很他妈棒
-Yeah, that's true. -That's the way that I am,
-没错 -我就是这样的
Because I go in there and I say,
因为我走进影院，想道
"What am I gonna see? I don't know."
“我会看见什么？我也不知道”
A movie that's PG-13
一部标为辅导级的电影
That's a horror movie,
如果是恐怖电影
It's gotta be scary in some way
那它一定在某些方面很可怕
That's really artistic.
这很有艺术性
导演：戈尔·维宾斯基
《午夜凶铃(美版)》(2002)
Once you get to R and once you get to Unrated,
等到了限制级或者未分级的电影
You're saying, "I don't know what I'm gonna see."
你会发现“我不知道将会看见什么”
I got one word for you: "Maniac."
我告诉你一个词：“疯子”
导演：威廉·拉斯蒂格
《疯子》(1980)
"Maniac" is one of my favorite movies,
《疯子》是我最喜欢的电影之一
And I had a feeling you'd like it, which is why...
我有种预感你也会喜欢，所以我...
-"Maniac"--oh, of course. -As a gift for you,
-《疯子》当然了 -作为送你的礼物
I brought you a "Maniaction" figure.
我为你买了个“可动疯人偶”
Holy shit!
我的天呀！
We did not rehearse this, folks.
大伙，这段我们没彩排过
Look!
看呐！
A "Maniaction" figure.
一个《疯子》人偶
I'm so excited, I almost dropped it!
我太开心了，差点把它弄掉了
It's a "Maniac" bloody scalp.
是《疯子》中的割血头皮
-It's--isn't that sweet? -Yeah, it really is.
-是不是很可爱？ -真的，确实是
I mean, I don't know how to thank you for that.
我真不知道怎么感激你好了
"Maniac" is about a guy named Frank Zito
《疯子》讲的是一个叫做弗兰克·齐托的人
作家
Who's a very... ah, oddball character
这是个...非常疯球的角色
Who stalks young women.
他会尾随年轻女性
And he scalps them and he takes their scalps home
接着割下她们的头皮并带回家
And he puts them on these mannequins.
并把头皮安到这些假人头上
And it is here he sort of struggles
就在这里他有种纠结
with this relationship he had with his mother.
挣扎与他和他母亲的关系
I will never...
我绝不会...
let them take you away from me.
让他们把你从我身边带走
It's a very minimalist look at what happens
这里能看到一个连环杀手
Inside the mind of a serial killer.
内心世界的蛛丝马迹
-You bitch! -What...
-你这个婊子！ -什么？
What're you...doing...
你在...做什么...
Stop it!
住手！
What are you doing?
你在做什么？
I mean, the original "Maniac" is mean,
《疯子》的本意是恶意的
But it's actually really powerful and,
但实际上电影非常有力
伊利亚·伍德
演员/制片人
Thanks to Joe Spinell's performance,
并因为乔·斯皮内尔的表演
Kind of emotional.
带有了感染力
Why'd you make me do that?
你为什么逼我这样做？
I didn't wanna do it.
我并不想这么做的
It really, like, went too far.
电影真的太过火了
You know, watching that movie, you really felt like
看着电影，你能真切地感到
鲍勃·穆拉夫斯基
电影剪辑师 代表作《鬼玩人3：魔界英豪》
The killing scenes were really protracted
杀戮场景拉得非常漫长
And really brutal and really grim.
非常的残忍和阴郁
When that movie came out, it was so controversial
当这部电影上映时，引起了重大争议
You know, a lot of women were protesting it
*只有疯子才会 看这种电影！
很多的女性对它抗议抵制
Because this idea that it was misogynistic, of course.
因为她们认为这部电影极具厌女倾向
You know, it's like all these movies get this label
就好像这些电影都被打上了厌女倾向的标签
Of being misogynistic because the victims
就因为片中的受害者
Are primarily women.
大部分都是女性
...again.
再来
I don't feel like the film's misogynistic at all.
我一点都感觉不到厌女情结
As a matter of fact, I feel, as a woman,
事实上，作为一个女人，我觉得
It really represents a realism to me.
这对我来说代表了一种写实
It's--it's--it's like
这，这就好像
A cathartic experience in a way,
像是某种涤荡心灵的感受
Because women live in that sort of world every day,
因为如今女性所在的世界
Where we have to be hyperaware
我们每时每刻都要高度警觉
Of who's around us and what could happen.
身边经过的人，发生的事
"Maniac" ends with a group of women
《疯子》以一群女人对杀手
Taking brutal revenge on the killer.
实施了残忍的复仇作为结局
Today, many horror fans and film scholars
至今，许多恐怖影迷和电影学者
Consider it a classic, but in the '80s,
认为《疯子》是影史经典，但在八十年代
"Maniac" helped set off a moral panic.
《疯子》促进了关于道德恐慌的爆发
Horror became a-a dirty word, I think,
“恐怖片”成了个肮脏的字眼
《Fangoria》杂志主编(1985-2010)
in the late '70s, early '80s,
在七十年代末八十年代初期
And I think that the reason for that was the--
我认为其中的原因就在于...
The explosion of slasher movies.
砍杀电影热潮的爆发
《地狱之夜》(1981)
《舞会惊魂》(1980)
《恐怖情人节》(1981)
《十三号星期五II》(1981)
第二章
《血腥死亡营2：恐怖野营地》(1988)
《期末考试》(1981)
《睡衣晚会大屠杀II》(1987)
《平安夜，杀人夜》(1984)
《母亲节》(1980)
《血溅毕业日》(1981)
《猛鬼街III》(1987)
《月光光心慌慌4：迈克尔·麦尔斯回归》(1988)
《电锯狂魔》(1982)
《十三号星期五VII》(1988)
《恐怖愚人节》(1986)
《毁灭者》(1984)
《猛鬼街IV》(1988)
《十三号星期五：最终章》(1984)
A new breed of "shriek merchants"
一支新生的“尖叫批发商”
Has exploited the once honorable genre
将这一昔日光辉的恐怖片类型
Of the terror film.
榨干了价值
It was a very cheap form of horror entertainment,
这是一种非常廉价的恐怖娱乐节目
and those slasher films got a lot of bad press
而后这些砍杀电影也带来了不少负面风评
*砍杀视频导致青少年暴力行为上升 *暴力过多
*色情暴力导致犯罪
For brutalizing women,
因为其对女性的残虐
*砍杀电影——孩子们爱看 但部分电影引起专家担忧
For violence, for the gore,
因为其展现的暴力和血腥
*家长应该禁止砍杀电影吗？
and--and the people making legitimate horror films
而拍摄正统的恐怖电影的人们
*色情板块忽略了真正的罪魁祸首？
were afraid that they were gonna be tainted, uh,
也害怕自己的领域被
by the legacy of a lot of these slasher knock-offs.
许多山寨砍杀片的影响所玷污
I think a lot of people have the wrong idea.
我认为很多人持有一种错误的观念
They identify these films with earlier thrillers
他们将这些电影与早期的
like "Psycho," or even a more recent film
诸如《惊魂记》或更近期的惊悚片
like "Halloween," which we both like.
比如我们都喜爱的《月光光》混为一谈
These films aren't in the same category.
这些电影不在相同的门类里
These films hate women.
这些电影痛恨女性
But don't you find that
但你觉不觉得
in a really effective horror movie,
凡是对于成功的恐怖电影
blood stains the critics' eyes?
评论家都会被血腥蒙蔽双眼？
Like, once you get blood in your eyes...
一旦在眼中看到鲜血
-Yes, yes. -You can't wash it out.
-没错 -就再也看不见别的了
-They can't see anything else... -Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
-他们看不到除了杀戮之外的... -没错
Other than the kill, and they also feel like
之外的任何部分，他们还认为
If they like the movie,
如果有人喜欢这部电影
That they're endorsing that for real--
那么他们就是在助长真实的
-Or that kind of violence. -Yeah.
-那样的暴力行为 -是的
So--so most often, those reviews just become
所以大部分情况下这种评论变成了
A soapbox to be like, "Look, I'm a good person.
一种宣讲台：“你看，我是个好人”
"I'm a good person. I don't like
“我是好人，我不喜欢这些”
This sort of thing," but the truth is, we love it.
“不喜欢这种东西”但事实上我们热爱它
It's like it's-it's the enjoying fantasy,
这就像是在享受一种幻想
Enjoying a scary story. It's like, it's--
享受一个吓人的故事
it's no different from "Grimms' Fairy Tales."
跟读《格林童话》没什么区别
导演：艾米·霍尔登·琼斯
《电锯狂魔》(1982)
The slasher films celebrate the female
砍杀电影赞颂女性角色
Because they're the final girls.
因为她们是最终的幸存女孩
The people who--who survive the slasher movies
是能够从砍杀电影中活下来的人
Are the final girls,
是最终幸存者
And that's who you identify with,
这才观众代入的人
剪辑师
代表作《在魔鬼门前》
And that's the smart one.
这些是最聪明的人
The women are the ones who are smart.
是那些足够聪明的女性
It's the sex-crazed guys bringing their
而被杀的都是一些
导演：史蒂夫·迈纳
《十三号星期五II》(1981)
To have sex that, you know, get slaughtered.
一心想着做爱的饥渴男女
Most of the feminists who were against horror
大部分反对恐怖片的女权主义者
were not really watching these films
都没有认真审视过
or analyzing them, you know?
或分析过这些电影
作家
They were just sort of, like, "Pornography is bad.
他们只是坚称“色情片是不好的”
Horror films are bad." You know?
或者“恐怖片是不好的”
So they weren't actually engaging with the genre.
他们没有真正了解这个类型
These women in danger films all really boil down
这些“女人遇险”的电影都被
to just one same image,
打成了单一的画面
one disturbing image:
一幅令人不安的画面：
A woman screaming in abject terror.
一个女人惊恐绝望的惨叫
Usually it's the people who don't actually
通常都是一些
Know anything about the topic
并不真正了解这个主题的人
That are the loudest complainers about it.
才会发出最响亮的抱怨
And unfortunately, the audiences that go to them
不幸的是前去观看那些电影的观众
Don't seem to like women too much, either.
看起来也不怎么喜欢女性
In the '80s, "The New York Times" conducted,
在八十年代，纽约时代杂志
Um, a poll with theatergoers
在观影人群中做个了调查
To find out who was seeing these slasher films,
来调查观看砍杀电影的观众构成
And they found out that 45% of the audience
结果表明其中45%的观众
Was made up of adolescents.
都是青少年
55% of that audience was women.
而其中55%的观众是女性
"Maniac," its slasher cousins,
电影《疯子》以及类似的砍杀作品
And the Reagan assassination attempt...
再加上里根遇刺案的发生
Triggered a crackdown
引发了对于
On realistic violence and gore.
写实暴力与血腥的打压
By 1984,
到了1984年
the golden age of slasher films was over,
砍杀电影的黄金时代结束了
But audiences still wanted their scares.
但观众们依然渴望着惊吓
So film makers created
于是电影人们创造了
a new kind of monster.
一种新的怪物
Okay, show her.
给她看看
导演：汤姆·赫兰德
《鬼娃回魂》(1988)
Well, is it a Good Guy or not?
你看，这是不是好家伙娃娃？
It is. It is!
是的！是的！
-Wow. -A Good Guy!
-哇哦 -是好家伙！
One of the first experiences of horror
其中一个对于恐怖片的初体验
马库斯·亨德森
演员
代表作《逃出绝命镇》
Was, uh, "Child's Play."
就是《鬼娃回魂》
Hi, I'm Chucky,
嗨，我是恰吉
And I'm your friend to the end.
我是你永远的朋友
Hi-de-ho!
嗨哟吼！
When I first saw that,
当我第一次看到时
I was about four--
我大概四岁...
Four or five.
四五岁吧
So it was just this little doll and it was cute
只是这么个小小的可爱娃娃
And then all of the sudden, it just came alive.
但是突然之间，它就活过来了
And it's--it's always those moments
片子总有一些片段
Where the camera is moving...
摄影机在移动...
But you don't--it's kind of the POV of the doll
但是...就像是娃娃的第一视角
That just, like... it--it just drove me crazy.
就这个...这会把我逼疯
And I can be honest. To this day,
我说实话，直到今天
I'm still affected by that.
我依然受此影响
Nobody believes you about Chucky.
没人相信你说的恰吉的故事
Unless you start telling the truth...
除非你开始说实话...
Right now...
马上...
They're going to take you away from me.
他们决不能把你从我身边夺走
It's about a mother trying
故事是关于一名母亲
To hold her family together,
尽力维持她的家庭
汤姆·霍兰德
编剧/导演
代表作《鬼娃回魂》
Defend her--her son against this, you know--
保护她的儿子爱不受这些伤害
Against the charges of being a--a murderer.
保护他不被指认为一个...杀手
I mean, a seven-year-old boy? Horrible.
一个七岁的小男孩？太可怕了
And the boy may be mad.
而且这孩子有可能疯了
He keeps insisting that his little--
他一直坚称他的这个
That his doll is talking to him.
小娃娃在对他讲话
Come on, Chucky,
快啊，恰吉
Say something!
说句话！
Tell me!
告诉我！
Hi, I'm Chucky,
嗨，我是恰吉
And I'm your friend to the end.
我是你永远的朋友
Hi-dee-ho!
嗨哟吼！
To me, horror is always about
对我来说，恐怖片总是关于
Violating the sacred.
违反不可侵犯的领域
Take a child-something that we all look at
创造一个孩童一样的
雷·沃纳尔
编剧/导演 代表作《电锯惊魂》
And coo over and look after and dote on--
人们哄着照顾，宠爱的存在
And make them...
接着把他们变成...
The most evil fuckers out there.
世上最邪恶的混蛋
And a child's toy is sacred too.
小孩子的玩具也是不可亵渎的
These are things we grow up with, and you--
这些是伴随我们长大的物件
You--you basically cast horror's black shadow, uh,
而这基本上是在不可侵犯的事物上
Over all this sacred, righteous stuff.
盖下一层恐怖电影的黑影
You stupid bitch!
你个蠢婊子！
You filthy slut!
你个肮脏的荡妇！
I'll teach you to fuck with me!
我来教教你怎么跟我说话！
In the 1980s,
在八十年代
Advertisers had started
广告商们开始
电影学者
To target children directly.
直接面对儿童宣传
Brought to you exclusively by Play Pals,
好玩伴独家出品
makers of Good Guys and other fine toys.
好家伙及其他精美玩具的生产商
It's like children had become
就好像孩子们成为了
These little consumerist monsters
小小的消费巨头
Who could, you know, coerce their parents
能够胁迫他们的家长
into getting them more and more stuff
给他们买越来越多的东西
that they didn't need.
他们并不需要的东西
-Well, what do you think? -I want a Good Guy
-觉得怎么样？ -我想要个配套的
to go with it.
好家伙娃娃
I know you do, Andy, but I didn't know about it
安迪，我知道你想要，但我
in time this month to save up for it.
这个月没有来得及攒够钱
I remember my mother telling me
我还记得我妈妈给我讲过
a crazy story about fighting someone
一段在暗巷里跟人
in a dark alley for a Cabbage Patch Kid.
争抢一个椰菜娃娃的故事
I got my doll, I got my doll!
我拿到娃娃了！我拿到娃娃了！
We can see this line between
我们能看出二者的联系
The "direct to children as consumers" advertising
“直面儿童消费者广告”与
On the one hand and the potential consequences
这种广告对家庭
Of what that brings into the home on the other.
所带来的潜在后果
I was asking for-for them to create a doll
我要求他们创造一种娃娃
that had never been created before
一种从未有过的娃娃
to do things on film that had never
能够在电影中做出
been done before.
史无前例的操作
This is a breath before CGI. There was no way out.
这是电脑特效出现的前夕，别无他法
It was all on camera, live or die.
所有都是实拍，都是生死关头
And we built the apartment up--the apartment set--
我们建造了那个公寓的布景
four feet off the ground.
离地四英尺高
We punched holes through the set
我们在娃娃背后的布景上
behind the doll so you couldn't see the wires
开洞连接电缆，以此借位
directly behind it.
在正后方
I mean, I used every trick in the book
我用尽了所有技术
to try to maintain...
想要营造一种...
the illusion that the doll was alive and moving.
这个娃娃活过来四处移动的情景
Hi.
嗨
It's me, Chucky.
是我，恰吉
What do you think?
你觉得如何？
Mommy...
妈咪...
I mean, think about it: you're being chased
想想吧，你被一个小玩意追着跑
By something this big with a knife!
就这么大点，还拿着刀！
You know, I mean...
我是说...
You know, how do you sell that?
这要怎么让人喜欢看？
Well...did, didn't we?
不过...我们做到了，不是吗？
Chucky is a piece of horror history.
恰吉成为了恐怖影史的一部分
Chucky's face sits
恰吉的脸
on that horror Hall of Fame board
被放在恐怖片名人堂里
right next to the guy in the hockey mask,
就在那个戴冰球面具的家伙旁边
right next to the Michael Myers mask,
就在迈克尔·麦尔斯的面具旁边
Freddy's glove...
在弗莱迪的手套旁边
he's in there.
他在其中
导演:约翰·拉菲亚
《鬼娃回魂II》(1990)
"Child's Play" was violent,
《鬼娃回魂》很暴力
but no one would mistake it
但没人会把这一部
for the grim realism of "Maniac."
与《疯子》的阴郁写实风混为一谈
Chucky was following a trail blazed
恰吉所追随的道路
by one of the most famous characters
是由恐怖影史上最著名的角色之一
in the history of horror...
所引燃的热潮
Freddy Krueger.
弗莱迪·克鲁格
You know, "Nightmare on Elm Street"
电影《猛鬼街》
came out in 1984,
在1984年上映
and I remember seeing that movie
我还记得去看这部电影时
and I was so excited about the fact that,
我非常兴奋的一点是
"Ooh, there's a new twist to this sub-genre,"
“哇哦，这个子类型下又出现了新的转折”
that now the rules of--
任何世界的规则
of any sort of world don't apply.
都不复存在
In part two, we'll see how
在下篇中，我们将看到
"A Nightmare on Elm Street"
《猛鬼街》是如何
brought slashers back from the grave...
使砍杀电影起死回生...
Freddy is in the imagination
弗莱迪存在他所缠扰的
of the person he's haunting...
这个人的想象之中
And the imagination
而想象力
is larger than life.
是比真实生活强大的
Dive into the psychosexual darkness
潜入《糖果人》中
of "Candyman"...
性心理的黑暗...
You have to be able to deliver the scares,
你需要能够传达这种恐惧
and you have to be able to make people talk about it
你需要能够在人群中引起话题
long after you've gone.
经久不衰
Watch as "Scream" turns the genre inside-out...
看《惊声尖叫》玩转恐怖类型片
I thought I was in
我还以为我是在
a documentary about a serial killer,
一部关于连环杀手的纪录片里
and they're playing this, you know, for laughs.
他们把这个看做一种笑料
"The Silence of the Lambs"
《沉默的羔羊》
makes grisly horror respectable.
为恐怖片赢来尊敬
Love your suit.
你的套装很棒
And 21st-century anxiety leads
而后二十一世纪的焦虑催生了
To the no-holds-barred terror of "Saw" and "Hostel."
没有底线的《电锯惊魂》与《人皮客栈》
People who don't see these films
不看这种电影的人
Take them way more seriously than the people who do.
比看这种电影的人更加严肃对待
We wanted to make something
我们只想拍一些
That was super scary, and we'd inadvertently
超级吓人的东西，但无意之间
Become known as the kings of torture porn.
我们成为了酷刑折磨电影之王